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Joonas Kortesalmi

The difference in volume is truly amazing if those page counts are correct. Any idea where the reduction came from? I'm sure a lot of it was simplified and omitted (didn't LTE only have like two or three RRC states?)

Andrew

As another measure of complexity did you try comparing the size of the ASN.1 message definitions between the two specs? I suspect you'll find a similar 4x difference between R'99 and LTE and it's probably close to an order of magnitude difference between R'8 UMTS and LTE.

David Boettger

I had noticed this, too. Some contributing factors that I had considered were a simplified RRC state machine, a simplified message set in which some messages serve multiple functions (I'm thinking RRC Connection Reconfiguration), and that the standard doesn't seem to have been parameterized "to death".

DavidL

Hi Martin,

I think the LTE RRC specification is a major success, thanks to lessons learnt in 3GPP RAN2 during UMTS work.

RAN2 found out that only the essential minimum required for interoperability should be specified, as more means more errors.

In practise, this has meant:
- do not specify network behaviour
- do not specify error handling unless there is a very good reason
- before introducing anything, make sure it is absolutely needed
- think about what could be removed
- never duplicate anything
- specify signalling using ASN.1 only (no tabular) and use ASN.1 names in the procedure description

Several delegates in 3GPP RAN2 largely contributed to this but we should say a big thank you to Himke Van der Velde who really wrote LTE RRC specification from scratch, and to Richard Burbidge who helped a lot when chairing the RRC sessions (and also bringing some good reorganization proposals).

Personally, I was only involved in supporting the "no tabular" decision and removing a few useless procedures.

David.

DavidL

Hi again,

ooops, to be fair, we should also thank Gert-Jan Van Lieshout, he's been also very helpful for LTE RRC (but clearly a lot more than only for LTE RRC), and he also chaired a number of the LTE RRC sessions.

David.

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