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Jaime

Hi Martin,

I worked a couple of years as a 3.5G L1 Embedded Software Engineer for Nokia and I would like to know your opinion about CPC.

Do you think CPC is as effective as fast dormancy or the use of the Cell-PCH and URA-PCH states in terms of energy and network resource optimization?

Thank you very much in advance.

Cheers,


Jaime.-

Martin

Hi Jamie,

Thanks for your e-mail. I think Fast Dormancy and CPC are complementary. I see CPC being put to good use when there is bursty traffic ongoing, e.g. web browsing with lots of inactivity time, which is, however not very long (let's say less than a minute). Here CPC will be great to save battery. For other scenarios e.g. polling in the background for e-mail every 5 minutes for e-mails and do other things in such an interval while no other applications such as web browser interact with the network, fast dormancy will be the tool of choice as there is no need to keep the DCH open for a minute as no matter of how efficient CPC is I think it will still require significantly more energy than going to Cell-PCH or Idle. There is only little data on this yet but I can see how much energy is used by the UE being in Cell-FACH and only monitoring the traffic there. Now with CPC, power consumption might be lower than that due to downlink DRX but how much, that's difficult to say at the moment. From what I can tell by looking at the feature description, power consumption is likely to be still much higher then in Idle or Cell-PCH. If you have some insight into this from your days as L1 developer, your views are of course highly welcome!

Hope this helps,
Martin

SG

Hi Martin,

I don't really get your point dealing the negative impact of CELL/URA_PCH: from what I remember, the network is not mandated to respond to the UE with a signaling connection release. We could imagine the network answers with a physical channel reconfiguration moving the UE to CELL_PCH state if it does not want the signaling connection to be released.
What's your opinion?

FYI: CELL/URA_PCH are effectively not used (At least I've never seen it) in Europ, but seem to be highly appreciated in Asia.

Jaime

Hi Martin,

Thank you very much for the answer to my question.

My opinion is that there will be no clear way of evaluating the impact of CPC on energy saving until handset manufacturers start running hands-on tests on CPC-capable prototypes.

From my view as former L1 engineer, it is very difficult to come up with some sound energy saving numbers as this strongly depends on the specific L1 software implementation (MIPS, memory usage, etc).

Cheers,


Jaime.-

Martin

Hi Jamie,

Thanks for the additional info. Yes, I am very much looking forward to see how energy efficient CPC will be in practice and how the parameters for it will be set.

Cheers,
Martin

Martin

Hi Sylviane,

You are correct, the network is not required to release the connection after a SCRI as the specs say "may in turn [...]". But what's the point of not releasing the connection and moving to cell-PCH when the UE has told the network that the signaling connection was released? As the mobile no longer listens to the signaling connection the move to cell-PCH ends up nowhere in case the mobile has really released the signaling connection (the initial use for the message...). Hence, I think 3GPP has done the right thing and updated the specs in Release 8 to allow a functional and working way out of this :-)

Cheers,
Martin

Nasula

Martin, I believe Sylviane came to the same conclusion as I did from readkin your linked document by NSN and DT et al.

My reading is that the UE should not release the signalling connection unless it's a NAS failure or powerdown. In these cases the cause: “UE Requested PS Data session end” wouldn't be in the request.
If the cause value is there, the message is used as a request from the UE to get moved to PCH. Thus the signalling is not released and the mobile is still listening in cell PCH but at a significantly lower power of course. A brittiant solution.

lou

CELL_PCH has been used by operators for many years. I worked for 3 UK and we had it some 7 years ago.

Also we had phones doing this stunt, i.e., asking the nw to release the rrc connection- but in reality it was no request just an info as the decision had already been made by the phone. this is is a very very bad idea. the phone and nw loose state synch which creates all kinds of problems. also this means the operator cannot optimise its nw- each phone vendor will have an implementation to have better battery live in the stats. in the end the issue is clear- the radio layer, in phone or nw, has no knowledge of the app layer so it does not know when data will be coming or not. the phone is as clueless as the nw since an app server can send data at any time. the only rational approach is for the phone to respect the nw instructions which allow the operator to decide where the trade off should be

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