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Benjamin Lovell

So one of the things I keep wondering about doing voice on LTE is, once they finally get there(3 years, maybe 5), will anyone care? Granted Skype and 100 like them have not yet taken over the world but they are increasing rapidly and at cost points plus feature velocity that no carrier could hope to match.

I don't expect to see any large US or international carriers offering data only plans for smartphones to encourage this next month or even next year but I think it's starting to look more and more likely as I read about subscriber and feature growth with services like Skype along with the technical difficulties, cost, and time involved in moving over to something like IMS. Some statements I have seen in trade rags about the Skype and Verizon deal earlier this year included Verizon setting up a detected bearer channel with QoS guaranties for Skype calls.

Is there any reason a carrier could not simply use a detected data bearer channel with QoS guaranties for voice traffic. Wired IP networks simply promise to not drop packets marked with DSCP EF for voice. I could see a data plan with two services levels. One for bulk data traffic and another for realtime traffic. Your realtime allotment would equate to some amount of voice or video. Granted there would be very little chance to up sell value added services in this model but they're going to lose that battle anyway and might be willing to take what they can get once their voice revenue starts declining.

Just some thoughts from someone who came up in a packet switched world and has a startling lack of respect for legacy business models. ;)

przemobe

Regarding to LTE and CDMA IP context: From my best knowledge RAN vendors correctly have or almost have solutions for LTE to HRPD handover in their portfolio. So depending only on operators and UE vendors there is no worry about dropping data sessions when switching between these technologies.

GutEQ

A very rough thought on IP context issue you mentioned: over time, if no satisfactory solution is provided by vendors and operators, application providers might develop their own replacement, application level soft-handover: having multiple IP sessions over multiple transmission media (LTE/EVDO/UMTS/WiFi/other) established at the same time as these media become available to the mobile terminal, with multiple (yet logically associated to the same 'application subscriber' logical entity at the application level) data streams being sent over these media and with "stream selection" (P2P-alike) logic built into application on both ends, client (mobile) and server (service). This kind of solution might also provide superior use experience due to data redundancy (multiple streams) at the expense of excessive network resources usage (redundancy again).

As for the problem of single IMSI preventing simultaneous idling in two radio networks, the not-very-elegant-but-probably-effective solution that comes to mind, would be a UICC with single GSM/UMTS-only identity and LTE IMSI provisioning OTA e.g. based on STK.

Brent Bischoff

Regarding the mention of using CSFB for CDMA, have you any thoughts on CS Fallback to 1xRTT? I would be very interested on your technical analysis and which CDMA operators are considering this as a temporary LTE voice solution.

David Boettger

The dual-radio solution solves some problems that are unique to the CDMA/EVDO community and thus probably shouldn't be thought of a potential voice solutions for pure 3GPP operators. CS fallback to CDMA (which *is* supported, see TS 36.331) would require two tricky issues to be solved. First, the CDMA (voice) and LTE core networks would have to be able to communicate, such that paging and SMS notifications could be sent from the CDMA net to LTE. Second, as you point out, it's sort of pointless temporarily to move a data session from LTE to CDMA since CDMA can't handle simultaneous voice and data. So dual radios solve these problems.

As przemobe notes, the HRPD specs enable data session mobility from (usually) EVDO to LTE and back, but the primary use case for this functionality is a "layer cake" situation where the EVDO coverage footprint is much bigger than the LTE coverage footprint, which will be the case for a long time.

Note, too, that there are some U.S. operators with relatively odd network configurations which find dual-radio handsets particularly appealing. MetroPCS, for example, has CDMA and LTE but no EVDO.

Jamncl4

As stated in previous comments, there are multiple standard methods for providing data (IP) mobility between CDMA and LTE, e.g., eHRPD, among other techniques. Handover isn't just a radio thing when it comes to IP. Your core must be able to support the handoff for seamless session continuity.

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