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Per Ljung

Vodafone's cell-pch final state is probably a configuration bug, but Wind's RCC settings are ok. As you know there is a tradeoff between minimizing the carrier's signaling activity (long T1, T2) and minimizing the power consumption of the UE (short T1, T2).

If you only send a short ping I would hope to transition to FACH and then idle very quickly. Assuming 1W in DCH, 0.6W in FACH, 0.1W in cell-pch, and 0W in idle a minimal transfer is
- TIM, 5*1+75*0.6=50J
- Vodafone, unbounded
- WInd, 48J
- Tre, 41J

Using Nokia Energy Profiler I've observed

- Finland 3G T1=2s T2=2s, min 3.2J (2s lag when browsing, but low UE power)
- ATT 3G California T1=10s T2=10s, min 16J
- ATT 3G microcell T1=240s T2=0s, min 240J (excellent UE responsiveness, but battery empty after 4h).

So the carriers' different RCC settings result in 3J, 16J, ~50J, or 240J for a minimum transmission. IMHO handsets are better served with lower energy rather than lower latency, given that a typical battery only holds about 17.5kJ. A plugged-in laptop with 3G dongle would benefit from different RCC settings.

Robin Commander

Hi Martin,

Very interesting..

Can I ask how you were able to get those timings ? Were you able to measure them somehow (and if so how ?) or is it because you know the right people ?

Thanks
Robin

Robin Commander

Edit.... scratch my last message.... Nokia Energy Profiler no doubt. Durrrr ! :-)

Edson Santos

Just a comment regarding Fast Dormancy.
As implemented in phones pre-release 8, many operators are requesting to disable FD due to signalling congestion in their network. I'm aware of many cases so far. Please refer to this GSMA paper: http://www.gsm.org/documents/TS18_v10_TSG_PRD_Fast_Dormancy_Best_Practices.pdf

dominic

I've recently started to use 3G again on my Blackberry (which makes very efficient use of EDGE and even GPRS) and noticed how much better battery life is compared to what I remember it being before I sidelined 3G. I presumed this was due to an increase in the number of 'base stations' and not having to continually hunt for new 3G signals when out of range, but I'm also now wondering if my most used network (Belgium: BASE) has changed its settings such as FACH. Either way, it has restored my faith in 3G and made it more usable.

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